happened in newtown, connecticut, as much as we do. we need them as part of this conversation. and the second group that has to step up is law enforcement. there was a time when they spoke out against these terrible weapons of death. we need them again to be part of this conversation. >> well, i would ask why would anybody out there want the criminal to be heavier armed than the policeman? he's got a little 9 millimeter or .38 police special, and somebody comes in with an assault rifle. let's go back to the sportsmen. do you think the sportsmen you know and are organized in illinois, do you think they would support a limit on the number of rounds in a clip? >> i think they would. you look at the polls of sportsmen and hunters, people who own guns for those purposes and self-defense, overwhelmingly they're for reasonable limitations. you ask them pointblank, should we have a background check to make sure that unstable individuals don't get their hands on a firearm, and they say of course. why would we want that to happen? there is a common ground here. but we need to hear their

, clips, mental illness, and a violent culture. it's the brew that blew in newtown, connecticut. is there something we can do? the fiscal cliff. the president now says we're so close it makes no sense to fail. let's see tonight how close is close and whether or not the grownups can bring this to a healthy conclusion. and back to benghazi. there are reports in the state department's being blamed here. didn't have the protection they asked for. did they keep asking enough? the report says no. but what if they had? would they have gotten the re-enforcements but the cia said they didn't want their cover blown? again, let's get serious. joining me now to talk about gun violence is martin o'malley and governor ed rendell. thank you for joining me. president obama spoke forcefully this afternoon about needing to take action on gun safety. let's listen. >> this time the words need to lead to action. we know this is a complex issue that stirs deeply help passions and political divides. we need to work making access to work on mental health care as easy as access to a gun. and any actions

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